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Michoacán

The Mexican state of Michoacán decriminalised elective abortion last week, and the law came into effect 3 days after that. It was already published on Saturday 12th October: https://michoacan.gob.mx/noticias/se-publica-en-periodico-oficial-decreto-que-despenaliza-el-aborto/ Aleqc (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the news. The law was actually published on 11 October 2024, and it entered into force on the following day, 12 October 2024.[1] I updated the article and map. Heitordp (talk) 03:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slight grammar problem in the last sentence of the heading

I feel a bit silly making this edit request as it’s such a small thing, but I think it should say “inscribed abortion rights *in* its constitution”, not “*to*”. 2600:100A:B1E5:AEBB:24EE:D181:45CF:41D3 (talk) 07:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Heitordp (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chiapas

The table in the article still mentions a limit of 90 days for the ground of rape for this state. But that was modified a year ago (9 May 2023). Since then, the penal code is officially aligned to the federal law that allows abortion at any stage in case of rape or sexual abuse. See article 181, page 64:

https://www.congresochiapas.gob.mx/new/Info-Parlamentaria/LEY_0012.pdf?v=MzA=

https://ipasmexico.org/2023/05/03/chiapas-elimina-plazo-para-acceder-al-aborto-en-caso-de-violacion/

And, stay tuned because abortion could be officially decriminalised the next week (so the article could be modified again the next week, but we will see), as the Mexican Supreme Court ruled last week that reform is unconstitutional because it wasn't progressive enough (it still criminalises elective abortion on request). The local Congress is now working on that, the bill is ready and submitted, and the legislators have announced they might vote it the next week.

https://animalpolitico.com/genero-y-diversidad/chiapas-aborto-voluntario-legislacion

https://www.meganoticias.mx/tuxtla-gutierrez/noticia/ingresa-al-congreso-de-chiapas-iniciativa-para-despenalizar-el-aborto/568851

https://diariodechiapas.com/portada/despenalizacion-del-aborto-en-puerta/ Aleqc (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the limit in case of rape for Chiapas and Quintana Roo, and corrected it for Coahuila. I also updated the references to the penal codes of all states of Mexico. Heitordp (talk) 06:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Congress of Chiapas passed the law decriminalising abortion on request, it was published in the official gazette and included in the online version of the penal code cited in the table. I updated the table and map. Heitordp (talk) 08:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkmenistan

Didn’t Turkmenistan defacto ban abortion? 24.148.84.80 (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkmenistan reduced the gestational limit for abortion on request from 12 to 5 weeks, but didn't prohibit it completely.[2][3] It's similar to the heartbeat limit in some US states. Heitordp (talk) 06:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abortion is not a criminal offence in Northern Territory.

Abortion is not a criminal offence in Northern Territory, the procedure was decriminalized just like it was in every other state and territory. These articles confirm that it is legal in every jurisdiction.

https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/eds-blog/national-milestone-as-abortion-officially-decriminalised-in-every-state-and-territory-in-australia/

https://theconversation.com/abortion-is-now-legal-across-australia-but-its-still-hard-to-access-doctors-are-both-the-problem-and-the-solution-216278

Mix Orange And Purple (talk) 22:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This also leads to Australia being inaccurately mentioned as a country that cannot appear on the table due to not having legalized it nationwide, although admittedly it would be difficult to pinpoint a date since they did it on a state by state basis with no single date that applies to the entire country. Mix Orange And Purple (talk) 23:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The map is indeed inaccurate. The Northern Territory is shaded green whereas by the image's colour scheme it should be mid blue. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This issue has been discussed before, see here, here, here, here, here, as well as the notes and sources cited in the table in the section on national laws. The table and map follow the UN classification, which makes a distinction between abortion allowed for social reasons and abortion allowed merely on request from the pregnant woman. Abortion in the Northern Territory is not a criminal offence but the law still requires that a doctor consider it appropriate based on medical and social circumstances. In practice the doctors might accept almost any reason, but the government sources clearly say that the law is not considered to allow it "on request".[4][5] In this aspect it's similar to the law in Great Britain. The sources that you cited above don't say that the Northern Territory allows abortion "on request" or "on demand". Heitordp (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining Heitordp. You noted here that the actual difference "is very small (or none)". It's indeed none. But if you're colouring the map by the legaleses rather than how the procedure is actually provided I understand what you're saying, and also why this is causing so much confusion, and why it will continue to do cause confusion for the foreseeable future. If there's a way to pin one of these conversations to the talk page that might save you some time explaining things again the future. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I added a code to prevent archiving this thread. Heitordp (talk) 04:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]