Talk:Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004)
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Changes in 15 and 16 August 2020
[edit]For Peejay: the contents on the origin of the competition refer to the claim that the Tornoi de Paris may have influenced the creation of the Intercontinental Cup. This issue was already in the article- I just provided more details.
For the IP: I do agree with you that FIFA has not recognised Copa Rio as a club world title. However, I disagree the way you approach the issue. First, you can certainly reproduce the FIFA Statutes, but you can not attribute to FIFA statements that FIFA has never made. FIFA has never explicitly called the Copa Rio as a friendly tournament, and so you cannot yourself interprete the FIFA statutes and thus claim that FIFA called the Copa Rio a friendly cup. This is called Original Research, which is vetoed by the Wikipedia. Also, as for Copa Rio, I think that the it must be mentioned (once more: only mentioned, not listed as a Club World title) in the article about world club champions, as Valcke and Urs issued FIFA documents treating the Copa Rio as a Club World Cup. I know that these Valcke/Urs statements were not made by the FIFA Council; however, as they are FIFA documents anyway, and as Copa Rio was treated in these documents as a Club World Cup, I think Copa Rio should be mentioned (once more: only mentioned, not listed as a Club World title) in the article on the club world champions. Also, in order to avoid spreading controversy throughout Wikipedia articles, I think that here in Intercontinental Cup and in List of world champion football clubs, Copa Rio should be mentioned very briefly, only mentioning that the case is different from the Intercontinental Cup and that further information should be searched in the specific Copa Rio article. Finally, I presume good faith, including from you, and I am not comfortable to discuss with someone who presumes bad faith from me. If you can discuss the issue in good faith, for me it is oK, but if you insist in assuming bad faith (as you did here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_world_champion_football_clubs&type=revision&diff=973327359&oldid=973323502 ),please be kind enough to request mediation. El cazador (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
PS: IP, in order to reach a halfway, I erased all discussion of Copa Rio from the articles in Intercontinental Cup and in List of world champion football clubs, and just mentioned the Rio Cup with the suggestion that further infos should be searched on the Copa Rio own article. I also erased all your references to the FIFA Statute from Intercontinental Cup and List of world champion football clubs and to the Argentina and Brazil league cases, as (although I praise you for the willingness to contribute) I do think that these references put by you are indeed turning the article in much more complicated than it needed to be. Can we have an agreement now on the Intercontinental Cup and List of world champion football clubs articles, and proceed to discuss Copa Rio in its own article? El cazador (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
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Medals (1960-2004)
[edit]| Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |  Argentina (ARG) | 9 | 9 | 0 | 18 |
| 2 |  Italy (ITA) | 7 | 5 | 0 | 12 |
| 3 |  Brazil (BRA) | 6 | 5 | 0 | 11 |
| 4 |  Uruguay (URU) | 6 | 2 | 0 | 8 |
| 5 |  Spain (ESP) | 4 | 3 | 0 | 7 |
| 6 |  Germany (GER) | 3 | 2 | 0 | 5 |
| 7 |  Netherlands (NED) | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 |
| 8 |  Portugal (POR) | 2 | 2 | 0 | 4 |
| 9 |  England (ENG) | 1 | 5 | 0 | 6 |
| 10 |  Paraguay (PAR) | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 |
| 11 |  Yugoslavia (YUG) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| 12 |  Colombia (COL) | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| 13 |  Chile (CHI) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
 Greece (GRE) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | |
 Romania (ROU) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | |
 Scotland (SCO) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | |
 Sweden (SWE) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | |
| 18 |  Mexico (MEX) | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Totals (18 entries) | 43 | 43 | 0 | 86 | |
- There are no countries competing in the Intercontinental Cup. This is an unnecessary table summarising something that doesn't need to be summarised. – PeeJay 13:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
In fact FIFA does recognize 1960 to 2004 as World Champion
[edit]but not 1951 and 1952 "The Copa Rio titles of 1951 and 1952, won by Palmeiras and Fluminense, respectively, are examples of competitions between teams from different countries that were not included in FIFA's agenda. The entity even recognized Palmeiras as world champion during the process of organization of the 2014 World Cup, but later backtracked and started using euphemisms such as "first global champion".
https://ge.globo.com/futebol/mundial-de-clubes/noticia/2023/12/23/fifa-nao-reconhece-os-titulos-de-mundiais-de-santos-flamengo-gremio-e-sao-paulo-checamos.ghtml Kksssn (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Completely dubious status as FIFA world championship
[edit]There isnt a single article currently in fifa.com which states so, third parties websites aren't an official source, and the link references which claims the official FIFA website is saying it is an official title, they don't say so anywhere. Check their contents again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.2.121.77 (talk) 12:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 5 December 2024
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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 10:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Intercontinental Cup (football) → Intercontinental Cup (1960–2004) – Given the existence of other football tournaments such as the new FIFA Intercontinental Cup and the Intercontinental Cup (India), the current disambiguator (football) is ambiguous! This tournament was also known as the European/South American Cup, but "Intercontinental Cup" seems to be by-far the most used in sources so I would like to keep that as part of the title. BLAIXX 03:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. BLAIXX 15:43, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, and given the ambiguity, turn Intercontinental Cup (football) into a redirect to Intercontinental Cup. GiantSnowman 19:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)